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Is There Anything Wrong With Asking For Your Coffee Ni66er Brown?

Post by BigAndy9 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:33 pm

10th November 2015

Should the co-worker who was offended have just turned around and told her that she found it offensive or that she shouldn't really use that kind of language - wouldn't that be better all round?

Would this have been instant dismissal in the private sector?

Could there be criminal charges?

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A social worker who asked for her coffee to be made 'n***** brown' escaped with a caution after a panel accepted she was only referring to the strength of her hot drink.

Nichola Taylor was working for Stoke Council when she made the racist remark in a communal kitchen.

A colleague was so concerned she made a note of it and raised the matter with bosses who launched an investigation, prompting Taylor's dismissal last year.

Taylor had worked for Stoke Council since September 2007 and was appointed to the position of operational lead within the authority's Learning Disabilities Team in May 2011.

She was in a communal kitchen when the colleague asked how she liked her coffee on December 11, 2013, the Health and Care Professions Council heard.

'Ms Taylor told her colleague that she would like her coffee 'n*****-brown',' said Tom Orpin-Massey for the HCPC.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3312134/Social-worker-lost-job-asking-coffee-n-brown-avoids-struck-panel-accept-talking-hot-drink.html#ixzz3r7BS2TgZ
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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:36 pm

Of course it is an actual colour, but what a bizarre thing to say.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:11 pm

is it still a colour though are we allowed to say it ?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:18 pm

@Vicar of Dibley wrote:is it still a colour though are we allowed to say it ?

I think so, it's just not very wise.
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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:42 pm

a relation of mine raised eyes in the boardroom of the place he worked by refering to a recalcitant probelm as
"the ni66er in the wood pile"

just shows people dont know their history...

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:43 pm

as to te OP...i dont think she did anything wrong, as HF said perhaps unwise, but since she wasnt using the term in any form of abusiveness, then whats the problem.... scratch

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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:12 pm

It used to be a paint colour but you never see it now .
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Post by BigAndy9 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:15 am

@Vicar of Dibley wrote:It used to be a paint colour but you never see it now .

I didn't actually know that VOD!

I thought the girl had been naughty but now i know this i don't understand why she has received a warning.

They even said she was just referring to the colour but still clearly felt the need to give a warning.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:23 am

@BigAndy9 wrote:
@Vicar of Dibley wrote:It used to be a paint colour but you never see it now .

I didn't actually know that VOD!

I thought the girl had been naughty but now i know this i don't understand why she has received a warning.

They even said she was just referring to the colour but still clearly felt the need to give a warning.




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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:04 am

@Admin wrote:a relation of mine raised eyes in the boardroom of the place he worked by refering to a recalcitant probelm as
"the ni66er in the wood pile"

just shows people dont know their history...

That happened in a place where I worked once. To make it worse, the person said it to a black man. They were mates though so they both fell about laughing. Laughing
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:05 am

I've never heard the word used to describe the colour of one's coffee though.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:39 am

@Raggamuffin wrote:I've never heard the word used to describe the colour of one's coffee though.

neither have I never
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Post by BigAndy9 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:44 am

Because we don't see the colour ni66er brown any more i guess.

Maybe this woman still uses the term, and who are we to stop her?

It is quite clear that the term is dying out - fair enough, but let it die out naturally.

Same for acceptance of other things - don't force people by using shame and the law, let people live their own lives for god's sake.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:40 am

@BigAndy9 wrote:Because we don't see the colour ni66er brown any more i guess.

Maybe this woman still uses the term, and who are we to stop her?

It is quite clear that the term is dying out - fair enough, but let it die out naturally.

Same for acceptance of other things - don't force people by using shame and the law, let people live their own lives for god's sake.

It's not a term I'm familiar with, but maybe it's a local thing re where she's from. I would have thought that anyone under the age of 90 or so would know that it's not a good idea to use that word, regardless of the situation - unless they're talking about Guy Gibson's dog or the Agatha Christie novel. I think it would have been enough for someone to say to her - that's not a good term to use really, just be careful what you're saying.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:28 pm

i wouldn't use the term 'nigger' under any circumstances now as it is considered racist i guess .
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Post by BigAndy9 on Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:13 pm

@Raggamuffin wrote:
@BigAndy9 wrote:Because we don't see the colour ni66er brown any more i guess.

Maybe this woman still uses the term, and who are we to stop her?

It is quite clear that the term is dying out - fair enough, but let it die out naturally.

Same for acceptance of other things - don't force people by using shame and the law, let people live their own lives for god's sake.

It's not a term I'm familiar with, but maybe it's a local thing re where she's from. I would have thought that anyone under the age of 90 or so would know that it's not a good idea to use that word, regardless of the situation - unless they're talking about Guy Gibson's dog or the Agatha Christie novel. I think it would have been enough for someone to say to her - that's not a good term to use really, just be careful what you're saying.

I agree with that. That should always be the first action - it was the army's policy - if you feel confident enough to approach the person who has offended you.

That should be the same for someone being sexist, overly friendly etc - not grabbing boobs randomly of course, i'm talking about jokes.
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Post by BigAndy9 on Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:14 pm

@Vicar of Dibley wrote:i wouldn't use the term 'nigger' under any circumstances now as it is considered racist i guess .

A word on its own can never be RACIST, in my opinion.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley on Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:32 pm

we're programmed to feel 'racist' now
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