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Post by BigAndy9 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:08 pm

1st November 2015

Is this news?

Should it be news?

Will it make a difference to whatever peoples' agendas are? Won't make any difference to me - i already know there are gay people out there.

Please discuss.


Two Premier League footballers are going to publicly come out before the start of the next football season.

The Mirror reports that the two players - including an England international - have told their family and friends and have received support from their clubs and the Football Association.

A source told the paper: "The stigma has completely gone, and the public are far more accepting.

"It has always been such a macho game and, unfortunately, perhaps more than in any other sport, there can be an aggressive mob mentality in the stands.

"But finally the tide is turning and more and more sports people are openly gay."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/two-footballers-including-england-player-and-premier-league-player-set-to-come-out-as-gay-a6707161.html
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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:11 pm

I would disagree that the stigma is gone from the terraces. I couldn't care less as long as they score goals for England
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Post by heavenlyfather on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:12 pm

It's old hat now, no stigma no differences who cares if they are gay or not, they are their to play football..

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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by BigAndy9 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:17 pm

@Miffs2 wrote:I would disagree that the stigma is gone from the terraces. I couldn't care less as long as they score goals for England

I disagree with your disagreement Miffs.

Shouting funny things and telling jokes does not account for stigma.

Did you ever tell jokes about the Englishman Scottishman and Irishman when you were younger, the Irishman usually playing the "idiot"?

Did you hate Irishmen?

p.s. if your answer to the above is "no" it does not negate my point! lol


Gays, ethnic minorities and paedo's are the butt of millions of jokes every day - those who tell them aren't usually racist homophobics who would laugh at a little kid getting bummed, they are just telling jokes.
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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:19 pm

@BigAndy9 wrote:
@Miffs2 wrote:I would disagree that the stigma is gone from the terraces. I couldn't care less as long as they score goals for England

I disagree with your disagreement Miffs.  

Shouting funny things and telling jokes does not account for stigma.

Did you ever tell jokes about the Englishman Scottishman and Irishman when you were younger, the Irishman usually playing the "idiot"?

Did you hate Irishmen?

p.s. if your answer to the above is "no" it does not negate my point! lol

Not all of what's shouted is funny though is it?
Remember the cancer comments to Beckham?

Gays, ethnic minorities and paedo's are the butt of millions of jokes every day - those who tell them aren't usually racist homophobics who would laugh at a little kid getting bummed, they are just telling jokes.
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Post by BigAndy9 on Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:42 pm

@Miffs2 wrote:
@BigAndy9 wrote:

I disagree with your disagreement Miffs.  

Shouting funny things and telling jokes does not account for stigma.

Did you ever tell jokes about the Englishman Scottishman and Irishman when you were younger, the Irishman usually playing the "idiot"?

Did you hate Irishmen?

p.s. if your answer to the above is "no" it does not negate my point! lol

Not all of what's shouted is funny though is it?
Remember the cancer comments to Beckham?

Gays, ethnic minorities and paedo's are the butt of millions of jokes every day - those who tell them aren't usually racist homophobics who would laugh at a little kid getting bummed, they are just telling jokes.


I'll be honest, i don't know of those comments Miffs - i'll look them up.
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Post by BigAndy9 on Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:46 pm

Ok, chants about one of his kids getting cancer?

I don't understand the relevance?
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by Miffs2 on Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:06 pm

@BigAndy9 wrote:Ok, chants about one of  his kids getting cancer?

I don't understand the relevance?
Not all terrace chants are lighthearted fun. I think any out footballers would get the height of abuse
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Post by eddie on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:05 am

I think a little abuse and a little mickey-taking is just part of life.
If those gay footballers weren't being chanted at because they were gay, the terraces would find some other reason or pick on some other aspect of their looks or personality etc
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by BigAndy9 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:09 am

Errrrm... i kind of agree eddie.

Miffs pointing out the abuse of Beckham sums it up - i remember the abuse he got over Mrs Beckham too.

Do they hate him, do they hate his children and wife - probably not.

It's football.  I've pointed this out so many times when we see "RACIST attacks" - no, it isn't a RACIST attack, it's an attack and in the heat of the moment the culprit shouted words to hurt the victim.
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Post by eddie on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:28 am

I used this example on NF once but someone. Didge possibly, said I must be lying:

One of my many black friends, is married to a white guy (they have two children)
When he's driving, if a black woman cuts him up he calls her name like "can't you drive you stupid black bastard?'" Likewise he says "can't you drive you skinny bitch?!" to a white woman or "four eyed bitch" if she's wearing glasses "chinky bitch" if she's Chinese etc etc

You catch my drift.

Me and my friend laugh a lot at him because he's just a blunt, straightforward ordinary bloke.

Now BECAUSE of this, I know he's not racist.
Her mum KNOWS he's not racist
She KNOWS he's not racist.
Any normal, intelligent non-White and White, KNOWS he's not racist.

And if I'm being honest? My other half is the same as her hubby. He just uses the most prevalent adjective to abuse in that moment.

Would he use it to deliberate hurt someone? Absolutely not! My other half has given free fares to all different colours to different people - dates them too in the past - would he do that if he were racist?

Absolutely not!


Quill, didge, Vera.....never got it.
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Post by BigAndy9 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:17 am

I gave examples on adifferentopinion to JD, and i'm sure i've said it on Newsfix. JD agreed with me at the time - "good example BA".

Two best friends, 20 years old, one black one white - the black lad starts going out with the white lad's girlfriend behind his back.

Argument ensues, the white lad knows how to get to the black lad - "you black b4st4rd" - something he's never said before, black lad pulls out a knife and tries to stab white lad, who gets the knife and puts it in the black lad who dies.

That's not just a killing, it's a RACIST killing because passers-by heard "you black b4st4rd".
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Post by heavenlyfather on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:51 am

@BigAndy9 wrote:I gave examples on adifferentopinion to JD, and i'm sure i've said it on Newsfix.  JD agreed with me at the time - "good example BA".

Two best friends, 20 years old, one black one white - the black lad starts going out with the white lad's girlfriend behind his back.

Argument ensues, the white lad knows how to get to the black lad - "you black b4st4rd" - something he's never said before, black lad pulls out a knife and tries to stab white lad, who gets the knife and puts it in the black lad who dies.

That's not just a killing, it's a RACIST killing because passers-by heard "you black b4st4rd".

It is a good example, it is the same every time angay person is attacked it is assumed that it is motivated by hatred of homo's, which might not be the case...

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Post by eddie on Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:27 pm

It's a very tricky subject matter and I've said it a hundred times; black people know when someone is racist and it's got nothing to do with what comes out of their mouth when they're angry.
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by BigAndy9 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:51 pm

@eddie wrote:It's a very tricky subject matter and I've said it a hundred times; black people know when someone is racist and it's got nothing to do with what comes out of their mouth when they're angry.

Incorrect.

Nobody knows when another person is racist. You can't know unless they tell you.
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by eddie on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:46 pm

Oh yes you can Andy
Oh yes you can
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by BigAndy9 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:48 pm

@eddie wrote:Oh yes you can Andy
Oh yes you can

Are we on about Christmas again eddie?

"Oh nooo you can't" santa
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Re: Two Footballers To Come Out As Gay

Post by eddie on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:40 pm

Ooooooh yes you caaaaaaannn rendeer
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